Cathy O’Brien, one of the most well-known MK Ultra whistleblowers and survivors, returns to the program to discuss the planned MK Ultra hearings in Congress. We explore what these hearings may actually focus on, why she believes key firsthand witnesses like herself have not been asked to participate and what that could mean.  We also discuss how the mechanisms behind MK Ultra may still exist today — even if the program no longer operates under that name. Cathy shares her perspective on modern psychological conditioning, trauma-based control, media influence and the evolution of behavioral manipulation in today’s world.  It’s a provocative conversation that examines one of the most controversial subjects in modern history and asks whether these systems ever truly disappeared — or simply evolved.You can learn more about Cathy O’Brien and purchase her book through her official website Trance-Formation.comSee exclusives and more at SarahWestall.Substack.com