For a long time, the church has assumed that if people just receive the right teaching, real transformation will follow. But this conversation pushes back on that idea in a big way.  Michael Sullivant joins Brandon and Jen to explore what happens when brain science, attachment theory and spiritual formation are brought into the same room. They unpack how the human brain was designed for belonging, why attachment is central to identity and how emotional and relational maturity have too often been separated from spiritual maturity. The conversation moves into the difference between left-brained information and right-brained formation, how trauma leaves unfinished stories in people and why joy is not a side issue but a major part of becoming like Christ. Michael also shares practical rhythms that can help rewire the brain toward peace, gratitude, and deeper connection with God and community. This one gets into discipleship, healing, joy, trauma, gratitude, group identity, healthy correction and why the church may be overdue for a relational reformation.https://radiusministries.orghttps://lifemodelworks.orgDownload the Hearing Heart App at the Apple Store.Books Mentioned:https://amzn.to/47Mb2BShttps://amzn.to/4c2msnyhttps://amzn.to/3Q1PMltTo get links to the free books Michael mentioned, email: sandy@unrefinedpodcast.com